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		<title>By: ChanChanMan</title>
		<link>http://www.jave.de/blog2/?p=7&#038;cpage=1#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>ChanChanMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epoxy is probably the best bonder for the LEDS, but I&#039;d add a black silicon RTV sealant on top of that to eat the bleed light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epoxy is probably the best bonder for the LEDS, but I&#8217;d add a black silicon RTV sealant on top of that to eat the bleed light.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://www.jave.de/blog2/?p=7&#038;cpage=1#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-12&quot;&gt;You could get this down to 11 pins.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately I can not: The red, green and blue anodes for each segment are already connected on the tiny SMD-LED chips. So if I want to use multiplexing, I can only do segment multiplexing, e.g. by connecting a+e b+f c+g d+dp and separating anodes a+b+c+d from e+f+g+dp. So I would end up with 14 connections (2 anode + 4 segment cathodes per color).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="#commentbody-12"><p>You could get this down to 11 pins.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately I can not: The red, green and blue anodes for each segment are already connected on the tiny SMD-LED chips. So if I want to use multiplexing, I can only do segment multiplexing, e.g. by connecting a+e b+f c+g d+dp and separating anodes a+b+c+d from e+f+g+dp. So I would end up with 14 connections (2 anode + 4 segment cathodes per color).</p>
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		<title>By: RGB 7-Segment Display &#124; BenjaminBenesh.com</title>
		<link>http://www.jave.de/blog2/?p=7&#038;cpage=1#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>RGB 7-Segment Display &#124; BenjaminBenesh.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do some pretty cool stuff since you aren&#8217;t then stuck with one color for your display.  Head on over and check out his post.   Share and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] do some pretty cool stuff since you aren&#8217;t then stuck with one color for your display.  Head on over and check out his post.   Share and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.jave.de/blog2/?p=7&#038;cpage=1#comment-27</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks !! very helpful post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks !! very helpful post!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.jave.de/blog2/?p=7&#038;cpage=1#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brett_cgb has a similar idea as mine.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.jave.de/blog2/?p=7&#038;cpage=1#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could get this down to 11 pins.

8 for the element common (ground?)

tie r, g, b common together (vcc?).

then have your microcontroller cycle through the red, green, and blue pins (either tying them to ground/high state or making them floating), and cycle through selecting the 8 elements.

By doing this quickly enough you can have persistence of vision such that the number 8 could have all different colors for each segment still, and you could even still do pulse width modulation by changing the on/off ratio for r/g/b in each element.

There are already displays that are not just led matrix displays which require this sort of &quot;scanning.&quot;  A popular one is the 10 segment red/green bar graph.  It has 10 ground pins, and 1 green vcc and 1 red vcc.  In order to not show yellow everywhere, only red or green can be have vcc, right?  So the way to control those is to raise vcc on green, then ground all the elements that must be lit green, or yellow, then lower vcc on green.  And then in the next iteration, raise vcc on red, and ground all of the elements that must be red, or yellow.  Red and green are only on for a moment, but they are persistent enough such that you can see the red, green, and the places where red and green combined to make yellow, without any flickering.

Hope that makes sense, would tell you in German if I could. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could get this down to 11 pins.</p>
<p>8 for the element common (ground?)</p>
<p>tie r, g, b common together (vcc?).</p>
<p>then have your microcontroller cycle through the red, green, and blue pins (either tying them to ground/high state or making them floating), and cycle through selecting the 8 elements.</p>
<p>By doing this quickly enough you can have persistence of vision such that the number 8 could have all different colors for each segment still, and you could even still do pulse width modulation by changing the on/off ratio for r/g/b in each element.</p>
<p>There are already displays that are not just led matrix displays which require this sort of &#8220;scanning.&#8221;  A popular one is the 10 segment red/green bar graph.  It has 10 ground pins, and 1 green vcc and 1 red vcc.  In order to not show yellow everywhere, only red or green can be have vcc, right?  So the way to control those is to raise vcc on green, then ground all the elements that must be lit green, or yellow, then lower vcc on green.  And then in the next iteration, raise vcc on red, and ground all of the elements that must be red, or yellow.  Red and green are only on for a moment, but they are persistent enough such that you can see the red, green, and the places where red and green combined to make yellow, without any flickering.</p>
<p>Hope that makes sense, would tell you in German if I could. <img src='http://www.jave.de/blog2/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 2-digit RGB Geek Clock - Markus&#8217; Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>2-digit RGB Geek Clock - Markus&#8217; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am still not sure what project to use my rgb 7-segment display for. There were some very interesting ideas posted to the Hackaday forum. I like matthiasrs idea [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] am still not sure what project to use my rgb 7-segment display for. There were some very interesting ideas posted to the Hackaday forum. I like matthiasrs idea [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.jave.de/blog2/?p=7&#038;cpage=1#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you can buy these...not as much fun that way of course...

Google the words : multi color 7 segment LED 
and see what you get.

For example, Genixtek has something: http://www.gtctw.com/LED_DISPLAY.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you can buy these&#8230;not as much fun that way of course&#8230;</p>
<p>Google the words : multi color 7 segment LED<br />
and see what you get.</p>
<p>For example, Genixtek has something: <a href="http://www.gtctw.com/LED_DISPLAY.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gtctw.com/LED_DISPLAY.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-12&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brett_cgb&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;P&gt;One way to simplify the LED-to-socket connctions would be to bring out the + from each segment from all colors (ie +a, +b, +dp) to pins (8), and tie all the - pins from each color together and bring these out to seperate pins (-R, -G, -B; 3 pins). There is a total of 11 pins required.&lt;/P&gt;
         &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Problem is, that the anodes for R, G and B are already connected on the SMD chip... So if I want to use multiplexing, I can only do segment multiplexing, e.g. by connecting a+e b+f c+g d+dp and separating anodes a+b+c+d from e+f+g+dp. So I would end up with 14 connections (2 anode + 4 segment cathodes per color).</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-12" rel="nofollow">Brett_cgb</a> :</strong></p>
<p>One way to simplify the LED-to-socket connctions would be to bring out the + from each segment from all colors (ie +a, +b, +dp) to pins (8), and tie all the &#8211; pins from each color together and bring these out to seperate pins (-R, -G, -B; 3 pins). There is a total of 11 pins required.</p>
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<p>Problem is, that the anodes for R, G and B are already connected on the SMD chip&#8230; So if I want to use multiplexing, I can only do segment multiplexing, e.g. by connecting a+e b+f c+g d+dp and separating anodes a+b+c+d from e+f+g+dp. So I would end up with 14 connections (2 anode + 4 segment cathodes per color).</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://www.jave.de/blog2/?p=7&#038;cpage=1#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-20&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ian&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
          &lt;P&gt;Very pretty.  Which seller did you get the pre-wired LEDs from?&lt;/P&gt;
         &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I got them from the seller &#039;ledbaron&#039; on ebay in Germany. He sells various LEDs as accessories for model railways.  I don&#039;t know if they are available anywhere else. The size of the SMD LEDs is 0605, but I don&#039;t know the type or manufacturer.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-20" rel="nofollow">Ian</a> :</strong></p>
<p>Very pretty.  Which seller did you get the pre-wired LEDs from?</p>
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<p>I got them from the seller &#8216;ledbaron&#8217; on ebay in Germany. He sells various LEDs as accessories for model railways.  I don&#8217;t know if they are available anywhere else. The size of the SMD LEDs is 0605, but I don&#8217;t know the type or manufacturer.</p>
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